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Help me lazy web... you're my only hope - Jef"I am the pusher robot"Spaleta
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Help me lazy web... you're my only hope
So I've been talking to educators in my little frozen corner of the world and they've been telling me about educational hotness that they are using.

MS Onenote came up. So lazy web. I ask you, does the open source multiverse have a compelling alternative to the MS Onenote software? If we have an alternative, any chance someone can do up a screencast of it being used?

The other thing that came up was... smartboards. So the manufacture has software for linux.. but its not open source.
So lazy web, anyone out there using Smart boards with linux? Anyone out there working on an open software stack for smart boards?
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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 26th, 2008 11:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

KDE's Basket

I've never seen MS Onenote, but from what I can tell Basket (http://basket.kde.org/), which I do use, is a compelling open source alternative.
jspaleta From: jspaleta Date: January 27th, 2008 12:34 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: KDE's Basket

since you use it, can you do a screencast ogg of you doing what you do with it? It can be a synthetic tutorial use, but I want to be able to show the particular person i talk with something specific and get feedback from him.

From: brycekirkland Date: August 10th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
How can you take advantage of this if you dont have an iPhone,or you do but want to be able to do this.
From: julietully Date: August 10th, 2008 09:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
If you sell an iPhone application, you have to let Apple take . This is ‘to pay for running the app store’.
From: eloyclavinger Date: October 9th, 2008 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
No solution was going to make everyone happy, so you do the best you can, take the lumps that you gotta take, and if the data proves you picked wrong, you adjust and move on at that point… By Brian on 07.
From: louiesakowicz Date: October 9th, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don’t have an iPhone. I don’t want an iPhone. I know if I got one I’d never figure out how to use it — and it would embarrass me how rarely I’d have occasion to take advantage of its capabilities.
From: abdulhedgespet Date: August 10th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
And you get to read all entries before they are published, so you can show off with cool apps that nobody knows.
From: garrettciringi Date: October 9th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Later, you can do more specific settings as you grow with your wishes. New in this version: Improved Windows Vista compatibility (permissions).
From: rickieszmoleny Date: October 17th, 2008 04:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Once you have that set up and working, you can use something like this to your. Vimrc (when, oh when, am I going to create a proper plugin for all of this and add it to github.
katzj From: katzj Date: January 26th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
What specific part of onenote? I've heard a few things about it too, but haven't looked that closely at it. I know that some of what it does is tomboy-like but some part is also tablet types of things (which xournal works nicely for). And then there are some things that I don't know of any comparable things (record a lecture, map the specific notes taken to time points within the recording)
jspaleta From: jspaleta Date: January 27th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC) (Link)
if memory serves... the actually application...was something close to what basket does... with xournal's tablet interaction.... on a smart board.

From: dariushethcox Date: August 10th, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Keep a record and then look back on the record. . . I am sure that you will find an increase in your learning ability.
From: rodrickwachowi Date: August 10th, 2008 10:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am sure that you will find an increase in your learning ability. . . Once again, thank you for this fine article.
From: piroskamcgough Date: October 9th, 2008 03:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's interesting to note that this first phase of Clean Water Act basically said, "We don't need any science at this point in time.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 26th, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC) (Link)


OneNote is for managing bibliographies, and in heavy duty way. Bibtex might come close, but many scientific sites give out importable (automatically imports when you click them, file association...) entries in Onenote format. Also it handles making the references itself and the bibliography on what you are writing so that it adheres to the standard (oh there are many to use) chosen by you. It's a huge database from which you can pretty much drag and drop what you want to use for your current document... Many authors have gigantic databases already and if you build something that can replace Onenote you have to also make migration tools or nearly no one will migrate.

If you step outside *Tex world I have never come around any open source application that would be a match for Onenote. There isn't such.

Onenote is a dying application ny the way. Office 2007 has that functionality built-in. It's not as hard-core implementation but sufficient for most serious authors.
From: benniedevenin Date: August 10th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
There are so many white judges because there are a lot of white people who still live in Hong Kong, and as someone from Hong Kong who has considered a legal carer and is white, I don't find your tone helpful.
From: kittyaitkin Date: August 10th, 2008 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, Jeoy, there are a lot of white red-neck trashs around in Shanghai. But this does not mean all expats are bad.
From: matthewtrotter Date: August 10th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
And you can make it record only the apps you want. It's your life, just a better informed one.   Read On.
From: leroylanoue Date: August 10th, 2008 10:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Free software programs that help you achieve better privacy can not only make your life better–by using them you can help to improve the environment for everyone.
From: granvillerichi Date: August 11th, 2008 08:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Read on to find out how apps ask for permission to use your location, how you can change your mind and make them ask you again, or how you can turn off location services completely.
From: chasewardrop Date: August 12th, 2008 11:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Businesses that make your life easier and better are likely to be things you’d pay for. Web 2. 0 businesses are built on being free.
From: gilcliborn Date: August 10th, 2008 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
It would not have taken much of a step to get you there.   Please take note of some artists that get it right: Sufjan Stevens (costumes and chitter chatter) Joanna Newsom (sitting yet still animated ) Grizzly Bear (swaying and foot tapping) Radiohead (Have you ever see Thom York dance.
From: morrisricchiaz Date: August 10th, 2008 09:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's has some great graphics features which might not be ultra cutting edge (though very fast) but sufficient for most needs.
From: robbiekundig Date: August 10th, 2008 11:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Some of these you might not have a direct need, but you should check them out. They are part of the Mac experience.
From: marlintayte Date: August 12th, 2008 11:55 am (UTC) (Link)
" It means "update if you can, or insert if you have to. " It also looks a lot like a combination of the words "Upset" and "Berserk," and it sounds much like "Absurd.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 27th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC) (Link)

What's OneNote

Doesn't anyone know how to use a search engine?

Microsoft OneNote is wiki looalike.


A personal/desktop wiki system:


Look in the link above for alternatives. There are also other systems that allow taking and linking them although they are not wiki systems: they are called notebooks/outliners/etc.






A start, not very promising:







A whiteboard made with wiimotes:


Thank you.

PS: Your anti-spam is crap.
jspaleta From: jspaleta Date: January 27th, 2008 01:06 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: What's OneNote

Maybe I wasn't clear.... I'm hoping to snag people who use this sort of stuff in a real educational setting.

It's pure craziness to think that I could show some high school educators a wii-mote based smart board and expect real traction on implementing it.

There's a huge gap between "holy crap this is cool" and "I'll use this in my class room, evaluate it, and if I like it, help see it implemented in the rest of the school and support it in the district"

I am not an educator, if I'm going to impact my local area, I need to find people which shared experience and technical problems that the local educators won't just write off as a crazy open source zealot. Pointing them to wikipedia pages isn't going to cut it. But thanks.

From: (Anonymous) Date: January 27th, 2008 01:34 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: What's OneNote

I provide them as pointers to you, not to them. To inform yourself. Because you and the persons that respond to you made no idea of what you were talking about. I'm sorry that the links that I provided were useless. But they were better than any of the others. And being that I'm not a specialist, this was the best that could do to inform you and your readers.

My advice to you is, in the case of OneNote type apps, to use them to see if they're equivalent; make the screencasts yourself. In the case of the whiteboard systems ask the persons that make them to provide a demonstration.

I'm also against the thought that has to be drop-in replacements for every Microsoft/Proprietary application out there. It's an impossible thing to achieve.

If you're not serious about this you shouldn't go on pretending.

The links that I provided were informative, not suggestions of products, because most of you didn't know what you were talking about.

My eagerness to help won over my better judgement; that will not happen again. I misjudge the spirit in witch this works.

jspaleta From: jspaleta Date: January 27th, 2008 03:54 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: What's OneNote

I'm not trying to replace MS... im trying to use this as an opportunity to enter into a conversation with the educators in my area about open technology.

more back story, there is already a move afoot to give all the teachers mac laptops. Once this happens the people who are making use of onenote won't have easy access to it, since its not available for Macs. These educators will already be looking to replace an application they have been comfortably using.. even if they aren't using it for what it was meant for. During the process of that switchover, I'd like to give them open alternatives to look at. Even if they don't end up choosing to use anything I present, I've created a dialog through which I can facilitate a discussion over technology needs and any open source providers who I may or may not have personal influence with.
From: juliettebihuw Date: July 10th, 2008 10:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
But is it because I am trying to spark a conversation that I am failing at it. Maybe trying is too strong of a word.
From: enikoxohaq Date: July 11th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)
The most successful combo for me always has been to run Windows (I still prefer Windows Pro, which I still occasionally use in those moments where I absolutely must use a MS solution set) within its own window on a Mac laptop.
From: rudolfmarrison Date: August 6th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC) (Link)
It's a massively powerful OS and always has been. There's no doubt that Windows works perfectly if you know how to look after it; if you know where to get the third party apps that allow you to tweak your registry and clean out the system on a regular basis.
From: carltonloos Date: August 6th, 2008 03:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Also, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say theology is the study of religion, "not the other way around.
From: kittytyleh Date: August 3rd, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
"Text messaging, with its use of phonetic spelling and little or no punctuation, seems to pose a threat to traditional conventions in writing," explains a report published by the republic's Education Department, based on English test results for high school-age children.
From: saragyvuj Date: August 3rd, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
I know some topics have a lot of stuff about them, but people need to get to the point. I think there should be a limit as to how long a page is, not how short.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 27th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC) (Link)

Looked at Zotero?

jspaleta From: jspaleta Date: January 27th, 2008 01:24 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Looked at Zotero?

that's very interesting. I'll have to poke my educator next week at curling and see if he'd be interesting in playing with that.

My feeling is, people are using OneNote because its close enough to what they need, and they happen to have it.. on their PCs. But the school district is starting to hand out macs to teachers. So... a firefox plugin that does "enough" that all the teachers can use, might be a very good starting point for a conversation.

From: (Anonymous) Date: January 27th, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Looked at Zotero?

I used Onenote at work for quite a while, about a year ago. I'm an engineer and Onenote is more like a paper note book, you can scribble in it like a note book. But it is more intuitive you can cut and paste into it any thing (ie. code from a program you like or pictures or web page snippet, make hand drawings.). You can record voice notes; you can also search through it which makes it better than a note book. I can go on and on…. I started to use MS Power Point because (2 reasons, 1. I don’t want to pay for it any more, 2. My job changed and I have had to do more high level reports. Onenote is not as professional looking for CEO level sharing of info or they will not have Onenote them self.) So pp comes close for me. I wish I could draw free hand in pp though. I also have dumped MS at home for the same reason, (I'm tired of the constant updates but more important the pay for next greatest thing.). I'm Glad you asked this question, I also have been looking for a replacement. http://basket.kde.org/ looks more like Onenote replacement to me, and I'm going to give it a go. Oh I forgot to mention it will let you collaborate on notes or ideas with some one else that has Onenote. More like netmeeting(desktop sharing). But for sure http://basket.kde.org/ looks at the surface like Onenote though. I will definitely give it a go.
jspaleta From: jspaleta Date: January 27th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Looked at Zotero?

since it sounds like you have used onenote in a way that was described to me. If you get a chance to play with basket, could you record some activity note taking with basket with istanbul or other screencasting application?

The educator i talked to, specifically said that teachers were prefering to use onenote over pp, specifically because it was less formal and thus it actually worked better as a class oriented tool.

From: (Anonymous) Date: February 8th, 2008 02:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Looked at Zotero?

Wow how difficult can it be to publish a video. I been trying to get this video to you for a week and a half. Just goes to show how smart one is when put to the test sometimes, anyways I finally got it on google after trying Fedoratv, LuluTV, youtube. Here is the link (I hope) http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4993872452220819031
If not search Basket How To on video.google.ca. Little long and did not know how to use istanbul, but hope it gives you what you were looking for!!
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